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  • livioo

    Well this got my blood boil. What a nasty, bitter and vile reply from Skeeve. I’d thank him for not taking me on for next season. I would also thank him for stopping me take ANY of his bets from this moment onward. It takes more than 4 years of proofed services for people to invest their money. When behind them stand these kind of buffoons, that should tell you what an “opportunity” you’re investing into.

  • Hey Livioo, I can understand his anger, yes he expressed it a bit forcefully but I can see his side too.
    After 3 season I am only down $3,000 (not including fees) following his tips. In reality that is nothing at all. I believe long term he will be fine, and the last few years are just a bump. To have poor years and just about break even is pretty good.

    I was never attacking his results, I was attacking the way he acts and expressing my own opinion on his service.

    I was always going to stop following at the end of this season not based on the results but for many other factors.

    I’m happy he took the chance to post on the blog and I hope he also takes the time to write a detailed blog post when he has taken a bit of time.

  • livioo

    You are too kind Steve. If any service breaks even after 1 season that is more than enough proof that you shouldn’t be following. If after 3 seasons you are down money then it’s your fault. Skeeve is getting paid a check every month and right now laughing. You have spent a lot of time and effort following his advice, paid him money, trusted him for 3 years and still down $3000 ? And after all of this you get a reply like he just gave you?! That is just wrong. I don’t comment much and I respect you for turning a portofolio into a successfull venture. I love reading your blog and always hoping you do well. I’ve had a portofolio once and it’s not an easy thing to do. Here is what I’ve realised when following services like this. Their edge needs to be consistent and considerable. If you end up breaking even for whatever reason at the end of just 1 season you are wasting your time. Stop finding excuses for them, as I’ve said they are getting the check, not you. I won’t even go to the services that lose you money. The way I look at it, if after paying them a subscription, wasting hours to place their bets and end up breakeven or worse with a loss than it’s a BAD investment. Plain and simple. You have enough good services in your portfolio to make a fantastic living.

  • Cheers Livioo.
    I see things a little differently to you. I try and placethe blame on myself more then the tipsters.
    It is me who makes the final decision to bet or not when presented with all the facts.

    If these facts are misrepresented by the Tipster then yes, he is dodgy and it is completely his fault.

    There is also the case of variance and sadly every single tipster will eventually have a break-even or losing year. Maybe the great ones may only have 1 bad year in 100, but it will happen. Even though TFA has lost me a heap of money this year, I will follow again as I feel over time it will make me a profit.

    We are not at war with Tipsters, we should see them as our artillery against the bookmakers. If I could beat the bookmakers myself then I would, but I can’t so hire my own mercenary’s.

    Thanks again for posting, i love being able to talk with readers.

  • BetPreviews Thomas

    Steve & Skeeve – Nothing like a good honest open discussion, there is always something to learn! Good work.

    The question I have is in relation to paragraph 2 of the above post where Steve you say ‘Skeeve was unsure about his own selections’.How exactly did he phrase the wording of his selections as for me this is important.

    I bet a lot of picks from experts/journos/analysts and I have 12 different guys that I follow, all from different areas – paid subs, twitter, journos – but they have all gone through and passed my testing protocol which includes stuff like tracked results, betting philosophy, mental approach, accessibility, pricing, analysis etc

    One of the most important things that comes from the above testing protocol is my complete faith in their ability to analyze markets so if I get a vibe from an email that ‘he’s unsure about his selections’ then that raises a big issue.

    It makes me question that tipster ability to deliver a long term profit as we all know that there will be dips throughout the season but it’s how they deal with it that makes the difference i.e mental approach.

    This may not be the case with Skeeve but how exactly was the email worded as this could be a big concern for followers like Steve and other potential subscribers.

    Look forward to your reply and keep up the good work. Good to see detailed blogs like this on your portfolio.

    Thomas

  • Skeeve picks

    Hi everyone,

    I suppose I did go a bit far on a few things – I’m sorry if it offended anyone. It was just a bit too much, reading all of Steve’s posts from the last few months in one go. I would really love to find the time and reply to everything I strongly believe to be rubbish and lies (or, if not lies, mean and misleading non-truth:D) as soon as possible, but it might take me a few days or even weeks. As far as the additional guest blog post is concerned, maybe after the play-off finals. I simply can’t find the time at the moment – too much actual work – so this will have to be my last reply for this week. I hope to be back after the weekend though. πŸ™‚

    @steve: I just think you got many things very wrong, mate (so did I, mea culpa). I always believe in my picks. To be honest, if you could actually see the process behind the picks, the work put in, all the little things we check, all the files and excel sheets, I think you’d believe in them as well (sorry if it sounds cocky). With a hundred picks per season, prolonged bad runs are bound to happen, but this is not the time nor the place for a detailed analysis of my service. Or maybe it is, why not, but I can’t find the time at the moment.

    When you were quoting my latest recap e-mail, the one that starts with: “That’s more like it”, you’ve only quoted a sentence and a half, put it out of context and obviously chosen not to understand what I obviously wanted to say. The whole second sentence goes like this: “Chester and Nuneaton shared points in a high-scoring 3:3 draw while Braintree, Luton, Halifax and Eastleigh have all managed to win their respective games for a long overdue perfect day”. Cassini is right btw, when I wrote: “That’s more like it”, I was just relieved it wasn’t a late goal going against us this time. As far as the “high-scoring draw” is concerned, I definitely didn’t expect six goals, but I can’t see why I can’t get a bit of credit for another succsesful bet on a draw. I don’t advise many draw bets, but there’s always a few good reasons when I do. Here’s the whole preview:

    “SKRILL PREMIER: Chester – Nuneaton DRAW (3.25 @188bet) 2 points FT 3:3 (+4.5)

    I think none of the two teams would be unhappy with a draw here. Chester would be satisfied with a point against 6th Nuneaton, play-off candidates with a very good away record while Nuneaton would be satisfied with a point at draw-specialists Chester who haven’t lost a single game against a top-eleven team so far, especially after a 0:5 defeat to runaway league leaders Luton. Anyway, five of Chester’s six home games against top-nine teams have finished as draws, as have exactly 50% of all their home games in the Skrill Premier so far while twelve of their sixteen home games were either draws, narrow wins or narrow defeats. I’m sure Nuneaton will do their best to put the 0:5 defeat to Luton behind them with a solid defensive performance. They’ve managed to beat Chester 1:0 at home back in November, but this is Burr’s Chester – a much better team – and this time they’re on the road. They haven’t shared points on many occasions lately, but two of their four away games at bottom-six teams were draws, fourteen of their seventeen away games so far were either draws, narrow wins or narrow defeats and I definitely expect another tight game at the Exacta.
    Anything better than 3.00 looks great to me.

    3.43 with Pinnacle…
    3.37 with 5Dimes…
    3.30 with Bet365, Bwin, Ladbrokes, Unibet…
    3.25 with 188bet, Coral…
    3.20 with Bet-at-home, Paddy Power, StanJames, Tote, Will Hill…
    3.15 with Sportingbet…
    3.10 with SBO…
    3.09 with 12bet/Dafabet…”

    I did think Nuneaton would put in a better defensive performance, but I definitely didn’t expect a goalless draw. I’m not running a draw-only service like Cassini’s XX Draws, I’ll only advise a draw bet from time to time. Due to the lack of away wins in the Skrill Premier (but not just the Skrill Premier, as far as I can see) this season, there have been a bit more draws lately and they did really great. The big problem this season were the doubles or, should I say, the quantity of doubles with one half winning and the other half failing (by one goal on most occasions) – that’s why I’m doing great in Cassini’s Friendly Tipster League sponsored by Skrill Premier’s Barcelona; he’s turning the doubles into one-point singles because of the League’s rules and that method proved to be superior this season. However, the doubles have made a +181 point profit at a 28% ROI in five years prior to the current season and made profit every single season so far, so I guess I was due a poor season with them (on the other hand, another couple of winning doubles and they’ll be in profit for the season). It’s definitely time for a detailed doubles anaylsis to see if it would be more profitable to turn them into single bets on a regular basis, but I can’t do it in early March. I suppose it would definitely be a much smoother ride. To get back to the bet on a draw, Chester have now shared points in five of their six home games against top-eight Skrill Premier teams and I really think it was a good bet. And I’m not sure why I have to defend a winning bet @3.25. πŸ™‚

    As far as the “no lies here” statement, here’s our e-mail discussion about the blogger discount (all e-mails were sent on May 10, 2013):

    Steve: “Hi Mate, Completely forgot about signing up again. Am happy to pay normal prices, but you did suggest last year that if I followed the model properly then I might get the bloggers discount :). I think I gave a fair representation of what a person betting fairly large numbers should expect with your service and tried to also make disclaimers when I could. I’m still happy to pay as I think this season was just a little hiccup, but no harm in asking. Cheers”

    Skeeve: “Hi Steve, I was planning to send you an e-mail regarding the blogger discount a few days ago, but then got my right arm burnt quite badly (a long story), so it’s not completely non-painful for me to answer to e-mails these days – it’s either that or typing with my left hand only which is what I’m doing right know and it’s bloody frustrating. πŸ™‚ Of course you can have a 50% blogger discount, as I promised – instead of 999 for both sets of picks, it’s 499 for you (and other bloggers), which means you can officially subscribe to the asian handicaps only (499e) and I’ll throw in the doubles for free. cheers, skeeve”

    Steve: “Hi Skeeve, Shit, hope your ok. Thanks mate, I’ll go and pay for that now. Don’t bother replying, and look after yourself. Cheers”
    I’m honestly sorry you’re down after three seasons, but both you and me know why you’re down. It’s because you’ve missed some of the most profitable weekends and even whole months. If you’d simply taken all the bets since August 2011, you’d be at +40 points profit at this moment in time.
    As I said, there’s a gazillion other details I’d like to reply to, but it will have to wait. But I’m not as mad, nasty, bitter and vile as some would suggest, I’m really not. Like I said, it was a bit much to read it all in one go, but I’m fine now. I am, however, planning to keep my edge and have many great seasons before I retire just so that I could prove all the doubters wrong. πŸ™‚ Losing my edge… You wish, industry! πŸ™‚

    @livioo: Some amazing thoughts, man. Here’s my personal favorites:

    “…If any service breaks even after 1 season that is more than enough proof that you shouldn’t be following…”
    πŸ˜€ Let’s take it up a notch. What about one month? Or maybe a week? Good luck with your long-term approach! Hope you have a portfolio of tipsters who only provide winning bets because anything else would be a BAD investment! πŸ™‚

    “…I’ve had a portofolio once and it’s not an easy thing to do…”
    And there’s my answer. πŸ™‚
    cheers,
    a nasty, bitter, vile buffoon πŸ™‚

  • livioo

    Besides the facts that I already mentioned, I want to make note of
    something that is even more conceirning and should be a rule when deciding to follow someone/or deciding to trust them. I concur with Thomas where you should assess the person on quite a few factors. Here’s what got me: “When you have a losing bet where woodwork was hit or penalties missed you are the first to let everyone know in your recap emails, o woe is me, it’s not that I didn’t pick well, it was that the woodwork got in the way or a player didn’t play his best or the ref was a cheat.”

    Readers, stay well away of anyone who will make excuses like this as to why they are losing. It’s outrageous. If anyone is attributing his losses to missed penaltys, refs etc. they are absolutely clueless about what they are doing. It’s mind blowing that he even won anything up to this point. There’s the variance for you.

    We are not at war with the tipsters, definitely. But at the same time let’s get something right. First of all you are the customer and you should be treated with respect especially since you’ve been with them for 3 years (you by the way got a nice “FU and there’s the door”). I have read every post and never found you to be too harsh to Skeeve. Myself and many others could have been a lot harsher.
    Second thing is let’s understand their business model for a second. That is most often overlooked. Why do cappers turn to a tipping service? Because they cannot make money themselves betting, in most cases. Here is what’s so good about running a tipping servie: You get a dividend every single month, safe and sound. Are we still supposed to act nicely?

    No disrespect to the other tipsters. I have not seen anything bad, more so, props to the ones who write very educated responses in reply to your posts.

  • livioo

    And here is my view on why tipping services should have consistent and considerable edge already. Because as you say variance will kick in. And when it kicks in it’s ugly. From my findings, when a tipping service already had a breakeven season it’s inevitable they will replicate that or worse. When you follow a service that runs at say 7% over 4 years, every year being steady at 7% that is, chances are when they have a poor season they will be in the region of 1% or 2% which is very fair considering all the other factors involved.

    But when you settle for tipsters who have had losing or breakeven seasons, expect to have it rough more often than not which is absolutely not worth it.

  • livioo

    Skeeve buddy, thanks for the intelligent reply. You got me buddy, that was the most intelligent thing you’ve said or done in the last week. You’ve outsmarted me. You are a witty buffoon. And I take it like a man.
    And let me tell you what else you are doing well. You are making money and I’m not. So again props to you. You are getting paid every month when the rest of us have to do other things to earn money.
    You are marketing yourself excellently and taking advantage of people who are clueless about tipping services. So congrats. My failings have nothing to do with anyone but myself, and I’ve learned it the hard way by dealing with characters like you, but thanks for pointing that out.
    It’s unfortunate that people will continue to give you money and be treated the way you like to treat them. I’m sure you will send me on my way in your next reply. Take care buddy, enjoy your niche.

  • Horse-trader

    Livioo. Congratulations as you made me finally register to this forum as someone who has been reading for a while now.

    Your point about not allowing a tipster to have a break even season is so faceplamingly wrong headed that I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and refuse to believe you are that stupid, you appear to be able to operate a keyboard….

    Which means that you are having a wind up to keep the battle from dying down and thus are a total shit stirring cock-end.

    That is all.

  • livioo

    Horse-trader, take Skeeve to your grave. Make sure everyone knows it’s Skeeve and Skeeve’s Slave in there.

  • livioo

    Readers, just to clarify. My main grief is with Skeeve and his reply to Steve. Plain wrong given all the circumstances. Feel free to state your opinion on the matter. I brought up different reasons as to why I think it’s wrong. You guys decide if he is worth the money.
    The 2nd point I was touching on. Is it worth the tears, the hours involved, the money spent to follow a service that breaks even over 3 seasons? This was a friendly question towards Steve. Personally, I wouldn’t do it. I can absolutely understand why you would do it. Maybe an idea would be, the bank for Skeeve could’ve been invested into the Sportpunter AFL model. I’m not here to educate anyone, I surely haven’t been successful holding a portfolio. It’s just a debate, friendly debate of course. Everyone learns. And as Steve is incredibly nice and friendly I thought I should get into it, but again, a simple opinion.

  • Horse-trader

    I couldn’t care less about Skeeve mate. You on the other hand are doing nobody (especially Steve) no favours with your childishness.

    Steve will not thank you for your staggeringly inelegant ham fisted and downright childish attempt to “protect” him.
    You are making him look bad buddy, go and play with your Lego.

  • Skeeve picks

    As far as I’m concerned, I’m still waiting for my latest comment to be approved, I’ve tried to publish it several times a few hours ago…

  • Just woke up and all comments should be showing. I can see them all and all commenting is set to open on this blog. Which posts are you referring to?

  • Hey Thomas,
    Skeeve never said anything that would make me think he had no confidence in his selections. It was what he has done over the past season with his service that led me to that conclusion. By proofing other people’s services (not sure of the contract between himself and the tipsters), what that said to me was that he was looking to expand his service with new sources of revenue. This was all happening when a terrible run was happening and to me, it seemed that he was doing this as a just in case sort of thing.
    From that I came to my own conclusions that Skeeve was also unsure if he could continue to make a profit as were many of his subscribers.
    This is just my opinion on how I saw it and as you said, without complete faith in a tipsters ability, it makes it difficult to keep following their selections

  • Dean Creus

    Slightly off topic but I am sure I am not alone in saying that a blog on your journey from $60 to today would be a great read!

  • Hey Skeeve,

    Look forward to the blog post.

    If it wouldn’t be giving too much away then a post about how you come up with your selections and the research you do would be great, people would see how much work goes into being a tipster and could appreciate the costs associated with following one. I have always said how hard the job is and that I can never do it and how much respect I have for the work Tipsters do.

    I don’t think 1 bet should have any bearing, but you can not take credit for a 3-3 draw. Cassini put it better then I could, it was a fluke. But that’s fine, it’s gambling, these things happen both for and against. But it was pure arse and to claim otherwise is a bit much in my opinion.

    I could cherry pick comments from every single one of your reviews that show how off you were, and you could also cherry pick to show how right you were.

    for example “and I definitely expect another tight game”

    so you are saying your 100% sure it will be a tight game? it was not tight at all, it was open and had swings all over the place.

    But again, that’s me just cherry picking a comment and really is meaningless. I like that you have an ego, but when it gets in the way it is a problem. As I have mentioned, you have never once blamed yourself for a losing tip.

    In regards to the blogger discount, I was sure I paid the same price as others as you had offered a discount for all, but as I mentioned before, my memory is like a fish and I barely remember what happened last week.

    Again you are only seeing one side when you say “I’m honestly sorry you’re down after three seasons, but both you and me know why you’re down. It’s because you’ve missed some of the most profitable weekends and even whole months. If you’d simply taken all the bets since August 2011, you’d be at +40 points profit at this moment in time.”

    This is 100% not true. I did miss a great week in my first season when I was betting small stakes, but I have saved myself much more from missed bets this season and not taking bets. You need to see the whole picture and not the one or two weeks where I have missed a few winners.

    I don’t believe your nasty either, I think your defending yourself and that’s great. I think you will eventually turn this around and make good profit, but you seem on a vendetta against anyone who may criticize you. I am not against you, I am merely stating my opinion about MY feelings towards your service. As i tried to tell Livioo, we are not in competition with each other, we are on the same team, your success is my success.

    You have just attacked everything without taking one moment to thing about how your clients might be feeling, and customer service is a big part of what you do, without happy customers you have no service. I may have not been thinking about your feelings when I posted but I have taken the time to express that and apologise.

    Anyway, all the best over the last part of the season and I look forward to posting your guest post.

  • Skeeve picks

    If I remember correctly, it starts with something like: “@livioo: So, what you’re saying is that a profit of +620 points at a 12% ROI and a 650% ROC after more than 1300 picks in more than seven years is just variance? πŸ™‚ You’re a funny guy, livioo, and I can’t stay mad at you…” and ends with “cheers, variance king”. πŸ™‚ Maybe it got rejected because of the link to my website I foolishly included… Nevermind – I just commented on the most childish of livioo’s statements, some of which were commented by Horse-trader as well, and I was also, like BetPreviews Thomas, wondering when and how was I unsure about my own selections…

  • In regards to showing me the door, I had already left and locked it by the end of last year, and not due to results. I knew a long long time ago I would not have been following the tips next season.

    But yes, what did get to me were the excuses and more so the decisions to stop advising bets based on random things, such as midweek, then first half of the season and then a million other criteria. Next season there will be half the bets as this season and variance is already huge on a service like this so it will only double.

    One of the worse excuses heard recently was that the weather was the reason a few results didnt go our way even though it had been raining like this for the last few months. That also got me worried in the analysis and I stated that when I posted on that weeks losses.

  • Welcome to the blog Horse-trader. I agree that all tipsters will eventually have bad seasons. Let’s try and keep all this civil.

  • Hey Livioo,
    thanks. Hindsight is great and if given the chance I would have put all my money into the AFL model and been retired by now πŸ™‚
    Sadly I need to spread the risk.
    I am not attacking skeeves record but the way I perceived he was running the service, which seemed to set him off.

  • no idea where it went, just repost it in full as who knows how temperamental this commenting platform is (it’s new).
    It probably has a spam filter for links, ill look into that.

  • Hey Dean, was saving that for when I hit $1million but Skeeve pushed a few buttons with his insult and thinking I started with more then him. It is a pretty cool story and when (not if) I reach the $1 million goal of this blog, ill send you the first copy of the book πŸ™‚

  • found the post mate, it was in the pending area because of the link, all fixed now.

  • livioo

    @Horse-trader, I’m reading your first reply then adding the 2nd and they are a beautiful reflection of each other.

  • Skeeve picks

    When I wrote: “I expect another tight game”, I meant “even game”. English isn’t my first language and there will be mistakes from time to time. I really thought “tight” is an expression that can be used for an even game, a game with two similarly strong teams.
    You’ve “missed a few winners”? What was it, +13 point profit in August 2011 when you’d decided not to bet that month and then one of the best (if not the best) weekends of the season in October when you were playing soccer, something like that? We can get the exact dates and numbers if you want to cherry-pick them – they’re all recorded with my famous fair delay (thank you for giving me credit for that at least:) and proofed by SBC. You saw what a good weekend does a few days ago – one more weekend like that and I’ll be in profit for the season – add that weekend when you’ve won the tournament to a +13 month you’ve completely ignored and there’s your difference. We’ve talked about it more than a couple of times in the last couple of years, Steve. πŸ™‚
    I have “just attacked everything without taking one moment to thing about how my clients might be feeling”? Wow! Don’t worry about my clients, Steve, most of them are great guys, long-term subscribers, even real-life friends who share their joy with me after a good day, send me constructive feedback and regularly exchange ideas about betting, services and bookmakers (did you delete all the issues of Skeeve’s Mail as well?:). Some of them have already commented on our little discussion here and they’re even smarter than me as they’re keeping their thoughts away from the public. On the other hand, a small percentage of them are less constructive and more destructive and I suppose all of them will leave the service in May and I’m absolutely fine with that. I’m not chasing as many clients as I can get – I’ve never done that.
    I knew you were going to leave the service after this season – I was being a bit theatrical, that’s simply my betting schtick. πŸ™‚ I’d go insane if I’d have to be serious with all of these peripheral aspects of running a tipster service all the time – I’m serious alright when I’m doing the actual work, which this definitely isn’t. πŸ™‚ Anyway, I’ll be a much more relaxed reader (and a guest contributor, why not) of your blog when you leave, I can tell you that. πŸ™‚ I do feel for the services you’ll resubscribe to though because they’ll definitely get their share of shit and spit when they go on the next bad run. πŸ™‚
    I’m sure you’ll make some profit with my picks in the end, despite your on/off betting in 2011 (you also have a head start for the final part of the season as you’ve missed some of the bets that failed to land – well done on that, even though it could’ve probably gone either way), so I hope we’ll go our seperate ways in peace, with no hard feelings. Unless the rain starts falling again. Then we’re screwed, man. It’s a joke! πŸ™‚
    cheers,
    the ruthless attacker of customers πŸ™‚

  • it wasn’t an even game though, a player was sent off within 10 minutes. That changes the whole dynamic of a game and that’s why I am saying it was a fluke. anyway, doesn’t matter, looks like we will never agree.

    Yes, as I said, i missed winning weeks, but again, if you have read this year, I have missed even more losing bets and not placed others that lost. Your only looking at the up side and not the down side. I have posted fairly about these missed weeks on the blog many times.

    you say “one more weekend like that and I’ll be in profit for the season” yes, that’s true, and a few more weekends like the one’s you had earlier in the season and you will be down a massive amount. I’m just trying to get you to see both sides here.

    The other services I subscribe to contribute to the conversation with well written rebuttals to my posts that help me and my readers. They use data and entertain and inform clients about why certain things are and how we can continually improve. You just saw something you didn’t like and ranted abuse my way.

    You are very very defensive in all your interactions here and attack when you have a chance to concede a few things and to be seen as partial instead of ego driven. The “ruthless attacker of customers” and the “Losing my edge… You wish, industry!” show you feel you are against everyone when I don’t see it that way.

    Anyway, like you, I have a life and a job that needs my attention so I will be moving on from this discussion.

  • Skeeve picks

    I’m not proofing those side projects, SBC are. I’m just sharing Tony’s and Harley’s niche picks with my clients and SBC members free of charge. The great thing about conclusions is that everyone gets to come to his own. πŸ™‚

  • Skeeve picks

    I give up, you just don’t get my jokes. πŸ™‚ Yes, I’m joking about some peripheral aspects of the service which don’t have anything to do with the actual work. Who cares if I write “you wish, industry!” in a comment on a blog? πŸ™‚ Those who are disgusted with my wish to focus on the actual work instead of the tone I use in a recap e-mail can simply choose not to resubscribe next year – as simple as that. I’m not against everyone, but I have to admit I do like taking money from rich corporations, so I’ve incorporated the betting industry as my nemesis into the Skeeve schtick. Anyway, I would much rather focus on the actual work and get back to ignoring the blogs and forums for the rest of the season, so let’s catch up in May. Good luck, everyone!

  • Skeeve picks

    Sorry, it wasn’t meant to be an insult, it was just that I came to that conclusion when I saw the photos of all those fancy places and the list of music shows you saw in 2013. πŸ˜€ But I’m sorry if it came off as an insult, really – that wasn’t the idea.

  • This just shows that we all come to our own conclusions and they might not always be right, as I keep saying here, they were my own thoughts about your service and these were your thoughts about my situation.
    I know how to grab a bargain, the opera was 20 euro and the rest were pretty much in one big show in Vegas for about $300 which worked out at like $20 per performer.

  • Skeeve picks

    I was actually referring to your taste in music, not the money you’ve spent on those shows, but, as I said, you don’t seem to get my jokes while I don’t seem to get your blog. Peace, yo! πŸ™‚